Thursday, January 3, 2013

Nine Things to Hate About Catholics


Philip Jenkins’s 2004 book The New Anti-Catholicism continues to rattle around inside me. In it the author distinguishes between opposing the Catholic Church as an institution (anti-clericalism) and opposing, distrusting, even hating Catholic people themselves (anti-Catholicism).

At first, it was hard for me to imagine that people would hate me for just being Catholic. But the more I thought about it, the more reasons I came up with.

1. Typically, Catholics have been immigrants, from the beginning of US history—poor Irish, Italians, Germans, and Poles in the nineteenth century, poor Asians and Africans today. The damn thing about Catholics is they’re everywhere. The only way of keeping them out is to keep everybody out.

2. We are poor when we arrive, so we start out as workers, not bosses; grunts and swabbies, not generals and admirals. To get along and make our way, we have followed authority, we follow orders. This makes people deride us as Papists. It also can make Catholics the first to go over barbed wire to take out machine-gun nests, and such like.

3. We follow because, in our purest form, we believe in the authority provided by tradition. We believe that wisdom is rooted in something deeper and longer lasting than the latest set of tweets from those you follow. We believe that the lessons of our ancestors are still worth learning, that in fact the deeper you go into human history and tradition the deeper the knowledge you’ll find. Humanity didn’t suddenly get smart five years ago. Humanity is a journey of ten billion souls, that has been going on now for several thousand years—a Camino toward one common destiny. We Catholics happily take part.

4. This traditional orientation leads us to think that when studying Christianity we would be best served by heeding those closest to the source, to Jesus—not just the Scripture writers of the first century but the Fathers of the first five, who were soon enough joined by Mothers as well. We think there's wisdom in studying the teachings of the saints over two thousand years, men and women named Augustine and Teresa, Thomas and Catherine. We think that there may be more value in listening to them than in reading the latest musings of “humanist theologians” or self-help experts.

5. You’ll probably think this is a bizarre notion, but we Catholics believe that men and women are different. We think that a daddy is not the same thing as a mommy. And we believe that this difference is God-given, that it is inherent in our creation, and we do so knowing that, all the way back to Adam and Eve, humanity has believed this. Until five years ago, that is.

6. We take sex seriously. We want to understand it, not just do it. We don’t see it as an isolated, consequence-free exercise in self-pleasuring but as something sacred connected with every aspect of our spiritual lives. We wonder how our sexual choices affect our spiritual lives, our physical health, our family dynamics, and the state of our culture. We wonder how the sexual choices we make today will affect tomorrow’s generation of children.

7. Some of us choose not to have sex for a living, call us crazy. The Catholic Church’s teaching about celibacy for priests and religious, and chastity even for those of us in the married state, means that we center our lives around something bigger than sex. We “identify” as something other than hetero, homo, bi, trans, or whatever you choose to call yourself today. This puts us at odds with much of society today, which has made sex the ultimate idol.

8. We think we’re pretty smart. Catholics built the universities and the cathedrals. Catholics created polyphonic music and the canon of Western literature: Chaucer, Dante, Cervantes, some say even Shakespeare. You can list lots of other smart stuff Catholics have written and composed and created, but I’m getting tired here, people.

9. When we get upset with the state of the world, we don’t blow things up, we pray.

For those offended by the title of this post, please note that one of my favorite films is titled “Ten Things I Hate About You,” and it’s a love story.

Unfortunately, I could think of only nine things to hate about Catholics, but I bet you can think of others.

NOTE: Thanks to Pat McNamara’s Patheos column for the classic anti-Catholic cartoon at the top of this post.

37 comments:

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    1. "We're cannibals"

      That's golden classic XD

      Romans accused Christans of cannibalism misunderstandin the meaning of the eucharist :D

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  2. Love it, Anonymous. Let's call that #10. Anyone got #11?

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  3. We proclaim our knowledge that we're created in the image and likeness of God. Those who believe God is created in the image and likeness of man take offense to that.

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    1. The offense is known as the logical fallacy of confusing cause and effect.

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  4. Somewhere deep in the DNA of Protestantism is an abiding hatred of the Catholic Church. Not all Protestants explicitly hate the Church, not all even implicitly hate the Church, but Protestantism qua Protestantism HATES the Catholic Church, MUST hate the Catholic Church, for without said hatred, without a deep conviction that the Church is the "whore of Babylon" (even if not fully expressed) Protestantism becomes, as Newman saw, the modern equivalent of Nestorianism or Arianism, i.e. a heresy, and not too many Protestants want to accept that. In the end, if the Church is right, Protestantism is horribly wrong, the two views simply are not compatible.

    The Modernist, the heir of the "enlightenment," is in the same spot. The Enlightenment wanted to "break free from the shackles" of the ancien regime, of Christendom, of the society built by and on the Church. Here too if the Church is right the modernist (and the whole Enlightenment Project) is horribly, sinfully wrong.

    Most of our society, sadly even some Catholics, share worldviews shaped by either (or in some cases both) Protestantism and Modernism. Those people, mostly perhaps implicitly, find themselves with a strong propensity toward either anti-clericalism or outright anti-Catholicism. They may have lists of "reasons" why they don't like the Church, but in the end the Church, much like Her Head, comes not to bring peace (in the way the world defines it) but to divide. And those that oppose her, just as those who oppose Him, must ultimately hate her.

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    1. +1. Your third paragraph is particularly saddening. Many Catholics (whom I know) think that they can hold the (worldly) populist view and be considered faithful Catholics as well. Well, in many instances you can't. At some point we all have to choose one or the other. One symptom of this malaise is the problem they have with church teaching on any number of issues.

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  5. #11 Because your master* hates the Catholic Church & you do his bidding.

    * The Accuser, aka the Malicious Deceiver, aka Satan.

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  6. We worship statues and engage in vain repetition (the Rosary).

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  7. #12 - We see the world in black and white. God does exist. Hell is real. Fornication, gluttony, swearing is sin. Sin is death. One can fall from Grace and only the Mercy of God can restore it through the Sacraments. This does not sit well with people who feel they are good, who don't MEAN anything by their actions and who think a loving God would permit them to do whatever they feel makes them happy right now, in this moment. Why do you have to be such a buzzkill, man?

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  8. I love the- " When we get upset with the state of the world,we don’t blow things up, we pray."- Part
    Anyway the Apostle Peter is our first Pope and our LORD Jesus told him he was the Rock with which his Church will be built, and that the gates of hell won't prevail over it. Please note that our saviour Jesus didn't say it ( gates of hell ) wouldn't try to prevail over the church ( hence our previous, current and possible future trials and tribulations ), But that no matter how hard they try from killing and slandering our priests and reverend sisters, to shutting down our schools to declairing outright war against us and even attempting on the life of our popes, were still here waxing strong.

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  9. We are imperfect, but we KNOW we're imperfect. That makes modern society very uncomfortable, especially when we are ALL called to be better. In other words, yes, I'm a sinner, but that doesn't mean you're not a sinner also. Let's all answer the call to conversion.

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  10. We have an amazing system for getting in touch with God and making our desires and needs known to him. Confession, the communion of the Saints, Our Lady etc. etc. We also have souls who are willing to intercede in various problems on our behalf and we in turn can intercede for them.

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  11. Mexicans are the most numerous Catholic immigrants. Do not forget it.

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  12. As immigrants we were, and remain for the most part, willing to work for less than prevailing wages for the same work. We also look to a foreigner, the Pope in Rome, for guidance in what we should believe and hold as the Truth of the Christian Religion. Most Americans resent people who will work for less as people taking jobs from them, and as Protestants resent people who look to others than themselves for guidance in forming their personal religious beliefs. Can't trust those foreigners, don't ya know?

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  13. Why do people hate Catholics but marvel at Catholic education? Bismarck shut down Catholic education because of how good they were and this "threatened" the state. Benito Juarez was educated by the Church, then waged war on the Church as President of Mexico.

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  14. You forgot one very important reason: the tradition of anti-Catholicism in English-speaking countries that originated in the 16th-century England. Elizabeth I was probably the most rabid anti-Catholic monarch in modern history (for a reason, too, because Catholics try to assassinate her). On the other hand, we have a parallel phenomenon in many German- and French-speaking Lutheran and Calvinist countries, this time for purely religious reasons.

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  15. Many academics dislike the Church because the Church stands by the Ten Commandments, and interprets the sixth and ninth commandments as forbidding various sexual practices. The academics want to do what they want to do, and they strongly resent anyone telling them that what they are doing is WRONG (or evil, or sinful, etc.) Since they don't want to hear the message, they attack the messenger. If I don't like what you are saying, I will try to disparage you, even if my attacks on you make no rational sense.
    To many, SEX has become an idol, replacing God.
    This is wrong, and they don't want to hear it.
    TeaPot562

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  16. Awesome comments everyone! Thanks so much.

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  17. "Got your Six" is a wholly Catholic thing. Protestants only worry about themselves.

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  18. We're Tories. We support a King over all elected leaders on Earth.

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  19. I'm glad somebody defined the difference between "anti-clerical" and "anti-Catholic." Too many Catholic apologists confuse the former for the latter, when they're not necessarily the same.

    The rest of Jenkins' apologia, however, reflects the combination of victimization and cultural arrogance that turns many off (cf, Bill Donahue). Jenkins refuses to address the possibility that the Church not only has made egregious mistakes (such as tolerating clerical sex abuse for at least a millennium and relying on political influence to propagate its message) but, in the case of the hierarchy, has effectively abandoned the fundamentals of the faith.

    Why are so many Latin American nations anti-clerical? Why do Italy and, now, Ireland, have anti-clerical elements? Because the hierarchy has sacrificed its spiritual patrimony for wealth, prestige, power, worldly influence and intellectual fashion. It's not a new phenomenon, nor is it confined to Catholicism; read Ezekiel 34 to find out how religious leaders often satiate their own appetites at the expense of the faithful they've been charged to serve.

    Of course, secular liberals always will hold religion in contempt, since they view it as "backward." But the Church has done all too effective a job of alienating its own members, and for far too long.

    Two more points about "following orders"

    1. Outside of the military, a lot depends on who is giving the orders, and for what reason. If bishops -- and even popes -- issue instruction that contradicts the basics of Christian faith or even ethics, the faithful Christian not only has the right but the duty to disobey.

    Which brings me to....

    2. Since JPII, the Church has embraced an abolitionist stance toward capital punishment, a stance that contradicts both Scripture (Genesis 9: 5-6) and Tradition (Augustine and Aquinas, for starters). JPII actively campaigned against capital punishment for murderers, and Benedict continues that advocacy. They (and you) can quote the CCC all they (and you) want, but their actions speak louder than words.

    When the Church becomes no better than the Ministry of Truth in Orwell's "1984" -- as it has become on this fundamental moral issue -- it is effectively apostate

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    1. "Tolerating clerical sex abuse for at least a millennium"? "Relying on political influence"?

      Compared to whom, pray? Protestantism? The Orthodox? Clerical sex abuse in Catholicism is currently roughly half that of other religions—because other people's clergy have children, and 40% of sex-abuse is by fathers—and there's no reason to think this is a new state of affairs. Lutheranism and Anglicanism both had become largely just state institutions of England and the German states by a few generations after the Reformation; the Orthodox churches were far more at the disposal of the Byzantine Empire than the Avignon Papacy ever was at the disposal of the French monarchy.

      Your theory is that Catholicism is put into doubt when its members behave like fallen mortals? I must've missed the school of logic where a theory is invalidated when its predictions come through.

      Seriously, Joe the Amazon Queen, it's simply unsightly that you can be so self-satisfied, given your total ignorance and lack of judgment. I'm sure you also think you look fetching in that tinfoil hat.

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  20. 10. We believe in dogma, like Infallibility. Dogma can be confused with dogmatism.

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  21. Sophia's Favorite...

    1. Sexual abuse is an abomination before a holy, righteous God regardless of who commits it, especially if clergy do so! The comparative figures regarding incidents in various religions are morally irrelevant.

    2. Catholicism is not put into doubt because its members behave like fallen mortals. Catholicism is put into doubt because its leaders...

    a. Created a caste system of prelates, clergy and laity that they use to control and intimidate the "lower castes," and isolate themselves from accountability, in direct opposition to Jesus' example in John 13

    b. Refuse to follow their own Canon Law (cf, Cdl. Wuerl of D.C. and Canon 915)

    c. Value their own image over fidelity to their stated beliefs (cf, clerical sex abuse)

    d. Change divinely inspired commands as they see fit (cf, capital punishment for murder)

    Such behavior isn't confined to Catholicism, of course, as I said in my post. However, since Catholicism claims to be the "One True Church" that contains "the fullness of the Gospel," it holds itself to a higher standard. For that matter, any church making such claims yet failing to make a fundamental commitment to live by them risks judgement from God!

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  22. Joseph Hippolito.
    you Wrote

    Change divinely inspired commands as they
    see fit (cf, capital punishment for murder)

    As far as I'm concerned christ abolished the capital punishment when he refused to condemn the woman accused of Adultery which is directly in opposition to what the Law of Moses stipulated.
    In the case of capital punishment in murder cases. Read:
    John 20:21-23
    21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
    22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
    23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

    The pope has every right to kick against the death penalty as vs 23 clearly gives him the permission to do so.

    That is not to say that the pope should go against the Law of the country / any country he is in or not in. After all Jesus Christ himself paid his Tax. When he told his disciple to get a coin out of a fish.

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  23. You don't need long lists to know why anti catholicism/anti clericalism prevails in the U.S. It is in our bones. The American revolution and the resulting constitution was concocted by men steeped in Hobbes/Locke philosophy and Masonic actions. These thoughts are disseminated through the public and protestant private education system in the U.S. Unfortunately a great number of "catholics" are thoroughly indoctrinated and completely support the erroneous concepts of Lockean liberty and so called religious freedom. Read "Behind the Lodge Door" and "Liberty, the God that Failed" as a starting point to learn the roots of anti-catholic everything.

    Tradtrub

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  24. Love the creativity, but I'm not sure about the "black and white" comment. Catholics tend a lot towards 50,000 shades of gray sometimes: We accept truth wherever we find it, even quietly ignoring untruths that come mixed with it... We accept our brothers and sisters with all their warts and foibles and incredible annoyances... We accept that grace and nature and sin must now be mingled as all the weeds still grow up side-by-side with the wheat until the Final Harvest...

    Plenty of others just find it easier to condemn others or declare that God doesn't exist, all in the name of "black and white"...

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  25. Rowland, I suggest you read the following:

    http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=1463

    It addresses the concerns you cite, and reinforces my point.

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  26. Among the parables of Jesus is "The weeds and the wheat" (Matt 13: 24-30), "The net" Matt 13: 47-50) and "The last judgment" (Matt 24:31-46). Also consider the story of the "absent master" (Luke 12:42-48). Some misbehavior on the part of human servants of God, even in the true religion, was anticipated. Should it surprise us when it occurs?
    TeaPot562

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  27. Anonymous, does that excuse it? Too many Catholics do.

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  29. @Joseph Hippolito.

    After going through the article in the link you provided, and browsing through your blog, I have come to believe ( though I might be wrong ) that you're one of those jews who still find it hard to forgive the catholics for the escapades of the crusaders, and also blame catholics for not doing enough during the Nazi era
    Let me use this medium to apologise for these mishaps, they weren't our finest hour!!

    You see even in the old testament or Torah the Good Lord didn't dish out the death penalty on Cain for the Murder of his Brother Abel, Neither did he throw king David to the Gallows for the Uriel/Bathsheeba incident.
    Now don't get me wrong the Laws and Justice of God are Perfect and we humans can't better them but Jesus christ called us to be perfect like our Father in heaven is Perfect. Matt 5: 48

    A good number of European countries have abolished the Death penalty. Take Denmark for example where someone like Andreas Brievik after his heinous crime lives in a 2 star motel called a prison. Perhaps the popes appeal for the abolition of the death penalty is part of a greater european union consensus on this issue, perhaps its part of man's evolution and civilisation, I don't know, but like I said in my previous comment the pope is well within his rights to ask for a repeal of the Law. Call it show boating,or pompous hypocrisy, just know that Laws change and will continue to change as generations pass by.

    The world is getting nicer ( even amidst the violence in some parts of the world ) people leave the comfort of there homes to do charity work in poor parts of Africa, Asia and Latin Americe. , Human rights, civil liberties, tolerance, gay rights ( whatever that means ), child right, Animal right and prisoner's right are part of the words we use today.

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  30. The problem is that such few Catholics actually take anything about our faith seriously that it's almost impossible to distingiush us from everybody else.

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  31. First, Rowland, I'm not Jewish. I was baptized as a Catholic and viewed myself as one for most of my life until quite recently. The Papal stand against capital punishment, the Vatican's attitude of appeasing Islam, and the pervasive corruption of the hierarchy were the final straws.

    Regarding Cain: First, Cain murdered Abel before the flood. Once the flood ended, God essentially established a different order. Allowing humanity to eat meat (again, see Genesis 9) symbolized the change from the past. So did the demand to execute murderers. God told Noah and his family that the human race was responsible for protecting civilization, since He promised never again to destroy the world by flood.

    Besides, do you think that both Aquinas and Augustine were ignorant of Abel's murder when they wrote what they did about capital punishment?

    Regarding David, God took the life of the illegitimate son he had with Bathsheba. Why, since that child was an innocent party? Because that might have been the only way to impress upon David without any doubt the serious consequences of his sin.

    You're right in saying that Jesus called us to be "perfect as His Father is perfect." Jesus also said, "If you love me, keep my commandments." One of those commandments was to execute murderers because God hates the shedding of innocent blood. Nowhere in the NT does Jesus remove that command. When the Papacy ignores or contradicts a direct command from God, it risks severe judgement. So do all those who follow the Papal lead in this matter.

    BTW, Rowland, did you know that "the wages of sin is death," as St. Paul wrote? Why is that? First, because physical death entered the world through Adam and Eve's sin. But, perhaps more importantly, divine condemnation -- the ultimate death -- awaits anyone who does not embrace Christ's sacrificial death to atone for sin as his own redemption. Merely going to church -- any church -- is meaningless without embracing Christ.

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  32. Well, thank the good Lord you made it clear why the rest of the Christian world should hate Catholics. I'd hate to think it might be due to the Deadly Sin of pride. Heaven forbid!

    It is one thing to follow your faith. It is another thing entirely to hold yourself above all others.

    This blog post gives evidence to the fact that the writer is lacking maturity in his faith. This is written from the viewpoint of someone who is so lacking in faith that he must hoist himself above the rest, as if in convincing us, he need also convince himself. Sadly, I doubt the writer will recognize the log in his own eye. True maturity would demonstrate humility, not pride nor arrogance.

    Be careful not to fall off your self-designated pedestal. It might just be too warm for you where you fall.

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